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Big Al Thanks for that. It did cross my mind that they may be completely unrelated. I have the Muir book, and the Bentley manual, and they both walk you through the removal of the 17mm bolts (top and bottom), but then at the end of the description they mention the engine bolts again. Thats what threw me. Anyway, I'll let you know how it all falls out... Lee --- big.al@bigblackdot.net wrote: > Lee, > > You're looking at the wrong bolts. > > Those hold the tranny cradle to the frame horns. > > You need to look where the engine meets the trany > bell housing. > > Go up top and look at the front of the motor (John > Muir reference: front > is front of car) and look for two bolts that would > be horizontal and at > about 10 and 2 o'clock around the flywheel. Now > imagine the same two > at 4 and 8 oclock on the bottom. Those are 4 17mm > head bolts. > > Those are the ones you have to remove. > > By the way, remove the bottom two first and have a > jack under the oil > drain plate when you remove the top two. > > Big.Al > Houston > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] dropping the engine - was bad > clutch 68 Fastback > > From: LeeAC <fiarel1@yahoo.com> > > Date: Sun, April 23, 2006 10:12 pm > > > > these 2 bolts have ended up giving me a bit of a > > headache. Are they 30mm bolts? Do I need a wrench > - > > theres not enough room for a ratchet... > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | > mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com