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>I cranked a bit and no start... but as >soon as Jim jumped in the drivers seat it fired right off!! Maybe it just liked Jim. Or maybe he has special powers! :-o John 65 square (weezer) > Content-Type: text/plain > > type3-d Digest Volume 2005 : Issue 286 > > Today's Topics: > Re: [T3] Replacement V Reg fitting [ Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> ] > RE: [T3] Happy days, my baby is runn [ "Schlegel, Richard" <RSCHLEGEL@OCSD ] > RE: [T3] Pic Post [ "Schlegel, Richard" <RSCHLEGEL@OCSD ] > RE: [T3] New family member [Waking u [ "Schlegel, Richard" <RSCHLEGEL@OCSD ] > Re: [T3] engine rebuild questions [ Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> ] > Re: [T3] engine rebuild questions [ Steven Ayres <comwest@att.net> ] > Re: [T3] New family member [Waking u [ "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycap.rr.com ] > [T3] Hesitations at 2/3 throttle [ John Hilgers <hilgersenterprises@ya ] > [T3] Unusual type 3 based car [ William Sills <w_sills@yahoo.com> ] > Re: [T3] Hesitations at 2/3 throttle [ Russ Wolfe <russw@classicvw.org> ] > Re: [T3] Unusual type 3 based car [ "Donald w Croxton" <DcHw65@comcast. ] > Re: [T3] Happy days, my baby is runn [ BOB2TYPE3S@aol.com ] > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:31:55 -0500 > From: Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> > To: type3@vwtype3.org > Subject: Re: [T3] Replacement V Reg fitting > Message-id: <4254FE0B.6301.292672C9@localhost> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Content-description: Mail message body > > On 7 Apr 2005 at 8:26, Jim Adney wrote: > > > I just took another look at your photo and realized that it shows an early 12V > > VR with the screw terminal for the D+ connector. That style of 12V VR was only > > used in '68 and was replaced by one which had spade connectors all around. > > Sorry, I meant to type, "That style of 12V VR was only used in '67-8...." > > -- > Jim Adney > jadney@vwtype3.org > Madison, WI 53711-3054 > USA > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 07:45:53 -0700 > From: "Schlegel, Richard" <RSCHLEGEL@OCSD.COM> > To: <type3@vwtype3.org> > Subject: RE: [T3] Happy days, my baby is running normally again! > Message-ID: <533145BCE78F02478E82C673CCC4A11502034A7C@tantalum.insideocsd.com> > Content-class: urn:content-classes:message > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Winter? What is that? Put your car away? Does it get colder than > Germany? I think in Germany they drove their cars all year round. :-) > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Rich & Nicole (Daughter), Orange County, CA > 70/71 SquareBack 1600 FI MT > http://community.webshots.com/user/schlegelr > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Park [mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 6:12 PM > To: type3@vwtype3.org > Subject: Re: [T3] Happy days, my baby is running normally again! > > Ahh.. my ears just shot up! :-) > good to hear its running well though... I worked out a few problems with > mine just before I had to put it away for the winter.... Looks like it > may FINALLY come out this weekend. So nice to have things running well > after a long period of issues. > > Keith > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 07:40:36 -0700 > From: "Schlegel, Richard" <RSCHLEGEL@OCSD.COM> > To: <type3@vwtype3.org> > Subject: RE: [T3] Pic Post > Message-ID: <533145BCE78F02478E82C673CCC4A11502034A7A@tantalum.insideocsd.com> > Content-class: urn:content-classes:message > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > I use www.webshots.com > > Rich & Nicole (Daughter), Orange County, CA > 70 Squareback MT FI > http://community.webshots.com/user/schlegelr > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Adney [mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org] > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:16 PM > To: type3@vwtype3.org > Subject: Re: [T3] Pic Post > > On 5 Apr 2005 at 16:59, Gamboa, Gary wrote: > > > Is there a place we can post pics so that others can see what we may > > be discussing? > > I think the most freely accessible place might be Everett Barne's > > www.thesamba.com. > > -- > Jim Adney > jadney@vwtype3.org > Madison, WI 53711-3054 > USA > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 08:06:42 -0700 > From: "Schlegel, Richard" <RSCHLEGEL@OCSD.COM> > To: "Matthew Russell" <dynamico@earthlink.net>, <type3@vwtype3.org> > Subject: RE: [T3] New family member [Waking up an old square] > Message-ID: <533145BCE78F02478E82C673CCC4A11502034A7D@tantalum.insideocsd.com> > Content-class: urn:content-classes:message > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > You've come to the right place for FI info. FI is stock on a 1970. I > have the same thing. It sat for 2 months and I fired it up this weekend > on the first crank! I love it after I learned to understand it. When we > first bought it I was replacing it with dual carbs until I found this > list. They talked me out of it. So enjoy! I have some pictures of some > of the FI components I replaced. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Rich & Nicole (Daughter), Orange County, CA > 70/71 SquareBack 1600 FI MT > http://community.webshots.com/user/schlegelr > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Russell [mailto:dynamico@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:27 PM > To: type3@vwtype3.org > Subject: [T3] New family member [Waking up an old square] > > Hey everyone, > > We picked up a 70 Squareback today for pretty cheap. It is pretty > complete, but it has been sitting (I think) since 92, based on the tabs. > Our goal for this car, over the next year, will be making it ready for > the trip to the invasion. > > Because it has been sitting so long, I know that the fuel and brake > systems need to be gone through, and that will lead me into the engine. > The guy I bought it from said that he was told "it ran when it was > parked." It has a FI engine, is this normal, or stock for a 70 square? > > This will be my first experience with an FI engine, so any advice or > recommendations, things to keep in mind, would be greatly appreciated. I > will certainly be calling on the list for help and keep you updated on > my progress. > > Thanks, > > Matthew > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:29:49 -0500 > From: Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> > To: type3@vwtype3.org > Subject: Re: [T3] engine rebuild questions > Message-id: <4254FD8D.21368.29248A52@localhost> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Content-description: Mail message body > > On 7 Apr 2005 at 16:37, Daniel Baum wrote: > > > > You're right, of course, but even this gives the impression that there > > > might be > > > as many as half a dozen different type 3 dsitributors. In fact, over the > > > full > > > 12 years of production I think the real number is more like 20-30. > > > > Absolutely. I was once told that my car (1969 dual-carb automatic) would > > originally have had a "P" or an "S" distributor. > > > > I've never seen either (even a picture) and couldn't even tell you whether > > they were single or dual advance. > > I don't have the parts list in front of me, but we could go by the fact the > last type 3 dists used in the US were the AG, maybe. That puts the total over > 30, plus some models probably used type 1 dists, which makes the total even > larger. > > I don't have any way of figuring out what the characteristics of the P or S > dists were, but '69 FI type 3s used just one dist for both AT or MT. > > -- > Jim Adney > jadney@vwtype3.org > Madison, WI 53711-3054 > USA > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 11:38:09 -0700 > From: Steven Ayres <comwest@att.net> > To: type3@vwtype3.org > Subject: Re: [T3] engine rebuild questions > Message-ID: <42557E11.7090909@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > JimA=> I don't have any way of figuring out what the characteristics > => of the P or S dists were, ... > > Do we have parts lists that show all of these possible distributors in > use? I'm wondering if there were development failures or research > experiments along the way that added to the mod codes but didn't > actually surface in application. > > Steven Ayres, Prescott AZ > '66 Big Ghia > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:36:01 -0400 > From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycap.rr.com> > To: <type3@vwtype3.org> > Subject: Re: [T3] New family member [Waking up an old square] > Message-ID: <005501c53bd2$f0ef6940$a180c318@keithpark> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > My Co-host of the 04 invasion bought a 71 Fastback just before the invasion, > we towed it to the showfield. It had been sitting since 1990 or 91. After > replacing a couple rotted fuel lines (the ALL needed replacement) I > discovered the fuel pump was set up... but it did go clunk when power was > applied. So Jim Adney reaches under the dash and instinctively unplugs the > correct wires from the fuel pump relay and after a couple of minutes of > jerking the motor back and forth by reversing the polarity to it it came > free! we then had fuel pressure. I cranked a bit and no start... but as > soon as Jim jumped in the drivers seat it fired right off!! It went right > into gear (an auto) and after driving around the showfield it idled just > fine. Ron drove it home a couple miles and has since gone trough the fuel > lines, brakes, changed the tranny oil and filter and has been enjoying it! > So your not that far from having a drivable car again. > > Keith > > > > We picked up a 70 Squareback today for pretty cheap. It is pretty > > complete, but it has been sitting (I think) since 92, based on the tabs. > > Our goal for this car, over the next year, will be making it ready for > > the trip to the invasion. > > > > Because it has been sitting so long, I know that the fuel and brake > > systems need to be gone through, and that will lead me into the engine. > > The guy I bought it from said that he was told "it ran when it was > > parked." It has a FI engine, is this normal, or stock for a 70 square? > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:06:59 -0700 (PDT) > From: John Hilgers <hilgersenterprises@yahoo.com> > To: type3@vwtype3.org > Subject: [T3] Hesitations at 2/3 throttle > Message-ID: <20050408010700.75268.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > The problem has gotten worse. On my way to work > this > > morning, I was driving the interstate cruising at > > 65mph. The Fasty was sputtering almost the whole > way. > > Jim Adney wrote: > > Check your charging system voltage as I suggested > yesterday. > > > Yes, I did and I ended up replacing the voltage > regulator. It solved a lot of different problems, but > not the sputtering. I did notice the generator > throwing out some intermittent sparks when I increase > the throttle. (I do not have a voltage meter). I am > not a mechanic, but sparks from the generator cannot > be good! What next?!? > > John > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:22:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: William Sills <w_sills@yahoo.com> > To: type3@vwtype3.org > Subject: [T3] Unusual type 3 based car > Message-ID: <20050408012217.19683.qmail@web51801.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > So has anyone noticed this car on ebay? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6523868669&indexURL=8#ebaypho > tohosting > > It looks like an 80's version of an SP2. Anyone > familiar with this one? > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:45:17 -0500 > From: Russ Wolfe <russw@classicvw.org> > To: Type3 <type3@vwtype3.org> > Subject: Re: [T3] Hesitations at 2/3 throttle > Message-Id: <1112921117.1243.19.camel@blueboy> > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 20:06, John Hilgers wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, I did and I ended up replacing the voltage > > regulator. It solved a lot of different problems, but > > not the sputtering. I did notice the generator > > throwing out some intermittent sparks when I increase > > the throttle. (I do not have a voltage meter). I am > > not a mechanic, but sparks from the generator cannot > > be good! What next?!? > > > Get a voltmeter. It can be your best friend. I get cheap ones from > Harbor Freight for less than $5 and keep one in each car, and then keep > a good one in the shop. > As for sparks from the generator, that is not a good sign. And may still > be your problem. > > -- > Russ Wolfe > '71 FB AT > '66 FB MT > '64 T34 (not running) > '65 T1 (not running) > '05 KIA Sorento SUV > russw@classicvw.org > http://www.classicvw.org > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 19:28:35 -0700 > From: "Donald w Croxton" <DcHw65@comcast.net> > To: <type3@vwtype3.org> > Subject: Re: [T3] Unusual type 3 based car > Message-ID: <000401c53be2$aa8e3020$6400a8c0@computer> > Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > i never see this before > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Sills" <w_sills@yahoo.com> > To: <type3@vwtype3.org> > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:22 PM > Subject: [T3] Unusual type 3 based car > > > > So has anyone noticed this car on ebay? > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6523868669&indexURL=8#ebaypho > tohosting > > > > It looks like an 80's version of an SP2. Anyone > > familiar with this one? > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 22:39:55 EDT > From: BOB2TYPE3S@aol.com > To: type3@vwtype3.org > Subject: Re: [T3] Happy days, my baby is running normally again! > Message-ID: <15c.4df9d74b.2f8748fb@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 4/7/05 10:54:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > RSCHLEGEL@OCSD.COM writes: > > << Winter? What is that? Put your car away? Does it get colder than > Germany? I think in Germany they drove their cars all year round. :-) >> > > Winter is snow on the ground, lots of snow. Also where some of us live, they > use road salt, lots of road salt. This stuff eats newer cars withing 4 years, > and they are built with double sided galvanized sheet metal. Our cars aren't, > so I put mine away for the winter. Yes, this year we did get colder than > Germany. :O That's why I have a dedicated winter car ($500 throw away car with > real > heat). If I wasn't worried about it rusting out, then I'd drive it in the > winter, just like I did with my old bug. Two years after I stopped driving it, I > had to replace both heater channels, along with mostof the lower 6 inches of > sheet metal. > > Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof > 71 Square, now a 2 seat Roadster, pics can be seen at; > http://volksrods.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2977 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~