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>They are usually rusted solidly in place Both the muffler and HE's are off the car. They're not rusted. It seems like only the flare tip on the muffler is holding it on. Like I said, the HE's swivel easily. I am going to have these sand blasted. I guess I can leave them joined while blasting and install together when I need to replace what's on my car now. I was just curious about how they come apart. Gary '71 FI AT Square ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Shameless link for search engines: http://listarchive.type3.org ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~