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I had a 69 MT parts car years ago, and I still have the rear subframe and it DOES have that seperate piece of box frame on the torsion tube. Keith > Does anyone out there have a '69 with MT? If so, could you check to see if the > torsion bar tubes are just round or have those square boxes welded under them? > That would settle this debate, because it's also possible that there was an > early IRS subframe, but that it also accepted either transmission. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Shameless link for search engines: http://listarchive.type3.org ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~