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Rob, did NZ have laminated front screens when the USA did? Certainly in the UK it was still normal fitment to have the toughened (tempered) glass in the front as well as the other windows, which makes it much easier to take the glass out - push it like all the others, and save the rubber if it's any good. I prefer to fit the rubber to the glass then carefully introduce the metal trim with plenty of lubricant (soapy water seems fine). As you bend the rubber to open the slit, you can put the trim in progressively, and the glass keeps the shape of it. I should think it's very difficult to keep the rubber plus trim from twisting and bending it. Dave. UK VW Type 3 & 4 Club http://www.hallvw.clara.co.uk/ ------ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org