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Derrick, The 8-spokes are not too wide the offset is wrong. Type-3 wheels more closely resemble a front wheel drive rim than your average fits-on-a-bug rim. Many rims with different backspacing are available. Ask your rim dealer. Go to a custom shop. You can have them measure what you have now and suggest something. These wheels are typically in the 100+ range each. Not all that far out of line with what you would spend on any other cars rims. If all else fails you can have your rims and drum/hubs re-drilled. A good machine shop should be able to do this at a very minimal cost. I know 5-bolt Porsche pattern disk are available right out of the magazines. A junk yard might actually let you take the rim to a car in the yard and you could try to match it up that way. On a side note 195/50/15's Front and 195/60/15's rear barely rub when on Empi's perhaps you could Roll fender bead over a little more. Take a WOODEN ball bat and insert it between the space between the rim and Fender. Applying pressure downward on the bat, which is now a lever, slowly push the car forward to draw the bat into and around the tire. Worked on getting the 265's under the Chevelle! Necessary bonehead disclaimer. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ These approaches to fender rolling have not been reviewed by the National Bodywork Association. Although they have worked for others I cannot guarantee that they will work for you. I sincerely hope, however that the ideas presented in this message will assist you in developing a cool and trick hotrod Veedub. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jason Renville ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I would rather attempt something great and Fail than attempt nothing and succeed. Jason_Renville@ccm.al.intel.com Portland, OR USA 69 Fastback second owner. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: 4-5 bolt decision Author: type-3-errors@umich.edu at SMTPGATE Date: 5/7/97 8:35 PM Wow, I am a dummy!! I didn't think about having drums in the front!! That wouldn't be such a hot thing to have to deal with. I am still bummed at the limitations of 4 bolt rims for VW's. The 8 spokes are nice but too wide for lowered ride and will rub the rear fenders. What about those 2-liter Porsche rims that lots of the pro 'backs have? I have never seen them in the magazines, how wide are those? Derrick