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On a similar note, with no Type IIIs involved, but three air cooled vehicles. I was leaving a sporting event at the King Dome in Seattle WA about 15 years ago in my beater Karman Ghia 40 horse that only had E-brakes, due to a leaky master cylinder. After the game, my friend and I had hurried out to beat the traffic, and had a jump on most of the spectators leaving the event on foot as we pulled onto the main road. A block or two away from the lot, as I approached a string of traffic lights all turning green, a large group of pedestrians decided to cross the street in spite of our green light. There was a red Porsche 911 who had to stop suddenly in front of me in my lane. In the right lane, there was a yellow VW Bug, who also had to make the sudden stop. Having the choice of hitting several pedestrians or one of the two cars, (as I pulled the E-brake lever and buried my right foot to the floor after a couple of quick pumps), for finacial reasons, I nailed the Bug after a fast lane change. The nose of my Ghia was now inverted, almost perfectly. Because the group of pedestrians scattered/jumped/ran REAL fast, and the ones who hadn't stepped off the curb yet decided to obey the light after seeing the possible conciquenses, the Porsche took off. The guy in the bug was real understanding to my decision making process, and actually commended me for the quick thinking. As his Bug had only sustained a small dent on the rear bumper, he apologized for the damage to the front of my Ghia and didn't want to report the accident or take any money that I offered! He said I would need it to fix up the Ghia. I learned my lesson. Did I fix the brakes? No, I sold the car to a co-worker "as is" for dirt cheap, (too embarrased to tell you how cheap with what I could get for it now). After hearing my story, did my co-worker fix the brakes? Nope, he told me the following monday, that as he was turning a corner at an unmarked intersection, he pulled the E-brake because he was going to fast, and rolled the poor thing. Tough brake. :-) Ken Davies 71 SB still sporadically starting, but runnin great. 79 Westy, Puke Green with a big primered dent, (look for me at Placerville, CA this weekend) 76 Westy (the urine yellow project)