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In a message dated 7/15/05 7:18:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fess-vwtype3.org@fess.org writes: << One question I have is if I don't have the special tool to adust to the specific angle, [ which might not be the angle I want anyhow, if I only do the front at this time. ] How does one measure the angles to make sure both sides are at the same? Is it a matter of trusting that they were in the first place, and being sure to move the same number of splines [inner and outer] on the torsion bars? Because, given the state the PO left the rear of the car, and the fact that it's on the stoppers in the front, I don't think I can trust that. >> In this case, invest in an angle finder that is commonly sold a Sears or one of the other big box home improvement centers (tool section, about 10 bucks). This will allow you to "dial in" each side to the other. Take a reference reading once you've got it apart (the spindle off the lower torsion arm), then you'll have a starting point. The outer splines change the readings in 9 degree movements, while the inner splines change them 8*50' . The outer ones are the ones that the trailing arm attaches to (and the splines are semi visible), while the inner ones attach on the far side of the beam (can't see them at all unless the whole bar is removed). I think the stock reference reading I had before lowering was either 15* or 18* (note: this was with the car level and the front on jack stands, and the lower trailing arm unloaded (not holding the spindle or anything)). It's been a couple of years, and I've slept since then, but it should get you close to a starting point. :D You won't need a ball joint press, as t-3 ball joints are bolt in pieces. About the only tools you'll need are an 8mm allen wrench, a 15mm boxed wrench, a 19mm boxed wrench, a 17mm boxed wrench or socket with a 1/2" drive and maybe a 13mm wrench along with the above angle finder. I hope this helps. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof 71 Square, now a 2 seat Roadster, becoming a T-3 Heb, pics can be seen at; http://volksrods.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2977 69 Square, currently awaiting a t-4 engine transplant P.S. I normally just lower cars, but I did raise the front of my dad's t-3 Square for him, as he was having trouble with some driveways around his house. :O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~