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In a message dated 7/2/05 12:37:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dan1@hoopes.net writes: << well, the other thing the guy did was turn my drums twice and then tell me that they are so thin they are overheating and warping. that's funny because the pedal started pulsating AFTER the first time he turned them. how can turning drums cause them to generate a pulsation? isn't it the opposite? anyway, they're brazilian so I'd like to get some german ones if anyone knows where I can get some. any good old ones still out there worth working with or should I just go new? >> The new brazilian drums are really crap. They're machined off center (and they're too thick in the mounting surface), so turning them a few times won't help, unless you're working off the center hole (something normally done when turning drums) that's machined in the center. You really want to find good used German drums. Try looking in the Samba classifieds, in both the t-3 AND t-4 sections, as the drums are the same for both. I hope this helps. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof 71 Square, now a 2 seat Roadster, pics can be seen at; http://volksrods.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2977 69 Square, currently awaiting a t-4 engine transplant ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~