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In a message dated 8/25/05 10:17:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, paul_cowan@juno.com writes: << When you speak about changing grit on the sandpaper you are using, are you using a mechanical sander? Can I use my palm sander or will it leave marks? I have used POR-i5 anti rust treatment, and the rust did not come back. now I want to sand it for primer and topcoat. >> Sue and Dave kinda covered that already, but I'll add my 2 cents worth. The palm sander will leave marks, that you'll have to sand out, so you're better off sanding the scratches out, as they can come back to haunt you. Work progressively to finer (larger number) grits. I prefer to knock the off finish off with 120 to 180 grit, with either a DA sander, or by hand (using a sanding block). Normally I'll start with the worst areas first, then move out about a foot in all directions. Once that area is prepped, I'll shoot a little DP epoxy primer on it to seal that area(s) off, then move to another area. I like to be sanding on one side, while the other side is either a step ahead or behind the one I'm working on. I'll work around the entire car getting it re-sealed back off in DP epoxy primer, then I'll start adding sandable primer (K-36) and fillers (dura glas and Rage), then work those around the car (several times), working one side then the other again. Por 15 requires it's own speacial work if you're going to top coat it. If it's been over 7 days since it was applied, you're going to have to scuff it with some 3M scotch brite (red pads), or with 120 grit sand paper, so the next couple of layers will have something to grab to. You've got 2 choices, scuff and use their tie coat, and then switch to automotive primer and paint, or re-coat with another layer of Por 15, then after about 2 hours spray a coat of epoxy primer (DP40,48, 50, 90 depends on the color you're using), then you can finish as normal (sandable primer, then a sealer coat then top coats). You won't find that last bit of info on the can or in the product info sheet, but I've known about it for over 4 years, and that's what I do when using it (por 15). I've tried it both ways, but I kept running into a lifting problem (requires re-sanding and starting over) using the tie coat, so I stopped using it. Since then, I haven't had a problem. Just so you're aware of what you're getting into, you're probably looking at 3 to 4 weeks worth of work, meaning 4 to 6 hours after work, and both days of a weekend. This is part of the reason it costs so much for a quality paint job (labor intensive), the rest is materials (which aren't cheap either). I hope this helps. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof 71 Square, Formerly a 2 seat Roadster, now a T-3 Heb, pics can be seen at; http://volksrods.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2977 69 Square, currently awaiting a 2.0L t-4 engine transplant ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~