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All this talk about Ball joints got me thinkin.... Gee, there's a little bit of feather edging on the outside of my RF tire. I did my lowers about 1990, and used new ones. But Im uncertain if what they supplied back then was of the quality OEM style or weather the Brazillian stuff had taken over. So I jacked it up by the lower torsion arm and put a crowbar under the upper arm and low and behold, there is 1/8" or so of play in the lower joint!! Now, if as Jim stated, there is a spring in the OEM style to take up for wear would I then, in fact, see play in a good joint when checking it this way? Keith ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~