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On 14 Sep 2004 at 17:09, Steven Ayres wrote: > Fess=> so does that mean earlier cars have the upper bolt hole? > > Yes. They don't have the lower outboard hole, however. Type 3s started with > shoulder-only belts, not lap belts. Lap belts in earlier cars are nonstock, > perhaps dealer additions, as I understand it. But Russ says his '64 has all 3 holes? The US required lap belts (or maybe just 2-point belts?) starting in '64. I suspect that at some point VW simply installed all 3 holes, but we know that the early lower outboard hole was much further forward than the later one. Steve, I suspect that your lower outboard holes are actually there, but that you've never seen them, since they are farther forward than you expected them to be. Or has your pan been replaced? It's clear that the belts that actually got installed would have depended on local regulations. I can only speak to what the US regs were. -- ******************************* Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, Wisconsin, USA ******************************* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Shameless link for search engines: http://listarchive.type3.org ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~