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well i have the plate that came with the shifter which is an EMPI trigger shifter and the one that was on the old shifter which is a sife button shifter, and the plater for the trigger just has the operning abd the plate for the old shifter has two little tab things that stick up. i tried putting in the old shifter but i dont know what im doing wrong, thanks for the replies, i need to get this car going. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org