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Please remove me from this distribution list Paul E. Skwiot 423-294-2457 -----Original Message----- From: type3-d-request@vwtype3.org [mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 4:18 PM To: type3-d@vwtype3.org Subject: type3-d Digest V2004 #548 ------- Have you driven your Type 3 today? http://www.tiserves.com/VW/ ----------------------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Shameless link for search engines: http://listarchive.type3.org ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:14:35 -0700 From: "Roush, Norman" <norman.roush@hp.com> To: "Per Lindgren" <per.lindgren@c2i.net>, <type3@vwtype3.org> Subject: RE: [T3] Confused about bumper and years Message-ID: <CC0A8FCD1746304DB14339903DC6EBE901B80E6D@cacexc05.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is interesting. The rear view looks like that of a '68 or '69 but the front view definitely has the later MY hood but '68 or '69 turnsignal lights. Norman '68 Sqbk It has the "long nose" correct for the 70-73 cars, so it has obviously been fitted with the bumpers, turn signals and also the rear fenders of an earlier car in order to make it look older than it is. PerL 70 & 73 Variant Gamboa, Gary wrote: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6060&; >item=2487601229&rd=1 > >This '71 seems to have earlier style bumpers and front blinker lights. >What gives? Can it really be a '71? > >Gary >'71 FI AT Square > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >~ Shameless link for search engines: http://listarchive.type3.org ~ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:08:36 -0700 From: "hisham bakr" <hbakr@surfside.net> To: <type3@vwtype3.org> Subject: Re: [T3] What did people do? (somewhat long) Message-ID: <001f01c48ad6$ef1239c0$601d5142@hbakr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit these cars were new then and had all the correct hoses, fittings, clamps without the age and alteration factor. what would a person do driving a 2001 chevy whatever in 2030? also I genuinely believe that people then were different with more disciplin, commitment and not the automatic sense of getting something to work without investing back into it with time & attention. just my 2c hisham 70 sq ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Clow" <variant_1600-vwtype3@yahoo.com> To: <type3@vwtype3.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: [T3] What did people do? (somewhat long) > Last night I went to take a little test drive with my > new wheels/tires (205/70-15's on 5.5" stock-style rims > -- woohoo! no more rusty rims!)... > > On my way back home, I took an off-ramp from the > highway, then stopped at a light and suddenly the car > started hunting at idle. Rev, choke... Rev, choke... > Rev, choke... > > It seemed dangerous to drive, like it was going to > jump forward into the car in front of me if I didn't > hold the brake hard enough. > > As I started to go again, I realized it wouldn't shift > into 3rd gear (automatic). > > So I realized surging probably meant vacuum hose, and > then lack of shifting with vacuum hose meant that the > transmission hose had come off. > > I haven't done a lot of maintenance on the car this > year, but it's always in the back of my mind how > today's cars you pretty much just drive, change the > oil, and unless something drastic happens, you're > usually trouble-free. > > What did people do back in the 60s and 70s with these > cars when something like this happened to just your > regular driver and they didn't know what was wrong > with the car and had to take it to the mechanic? I'm > talking from something as simple as a valve job to > something as finicky as a carb adjustment to something > more serious? One simple hose connection off can make > the car undriveable, or at least really scary. I > wouldn't want my wife to be driving the car in that > condition, but certainly back in the day these things > happened, right? > > Do you think a lot of Type 1/2/3's just went without > valve changes when people decided to stop bringing > them to the dealership and to a local mechanic, or > when they decided they could do their own oil changes > and otherwise only brought the cars in when something > bad happened? > > Just some things I was thinking about while under the > car in the dark last night... > > Aaron > > ===== > ----------------------------------------- > Have you driven your Type 3 today? > http://www.tiserves.com/VW/ > ----------------------------------------- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~ Shameless link for search engines: http://listarchive.type3.org ~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:14:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Merritt <gregm@vwtype3.org> To: type3@vwtype3.org Subject: Re: [T3] What did people do? (somewhat long) Message-ID: <20040825114931.W44145@cedant5.abac.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Aaron Clow wrote: > What did people do back in the 60s and 70s with these > cars when something like this happened to just your > regular driver and they didn't know what was wrong From historical documents I've read (I think they're old enough to call them historical), the requirements to operate a motor vehicle have change drastically over the past century. I once read through a ca. 1920s automobile operation and repair handbook. In that book, it was not considered out of the ordinary for a driver to be equipped (in supplies and knowledge) to pull over to the side of the road and replace a faulty intake or exhaust valve. Certainly by the 1950s, this would have been out of the question. My 1963 Beetle's glove-box owner's manual shows how to disassemble the car's fuel pump to access and clean the filter. While I'm sure that most 1963 Beetle owners would have taken their car to the dealer for such service, it was still considered reasonable to include this in the glove box owner's manual. By the late 1960s, pump filter service was no longer included in the owner's manual. Meanwhile, a concept car shown by Volvo this year has no driver- openable hood: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3528757.stm The technology also exists for cars to travel down the highway without driver input via tracking of sensors in the roadway. (Ok, I don't see this really happening, but it's been tested.) Insurance companies are considering pay-as-you-go billing via a black box that records how you operate the vehicle and where you drive (via gps). So, while I don't know first-hand what the expectations *of* and *from* drivers were in the 1960s, I'm sure they were a lot different from today's. Also, while we gain a little bit through improvements in technology (better tires, better voltage regulators, better oil), we lose ground since our Type IIIs are now all over 30 years old and most have seen many miles. Happy driving! -Greg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Shameless link for search engines: http://listarchive.type3.org ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:36:46 +0300 From: Daniel Baum <daniel@type34.info> To: type3@vwtype3.org Subject: Re: [T3] What did people do? (somewhat long) Message-ID: <412CEA4E.1070107@type34.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greg Merritt wrote: > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Aaron Clow wrote: > > >>What did people do back in the 60s and 70s with these >>cars when something like this happened to just your >>regular driver and they didn't know what was wrong > > > > From historical documents I've read (I think they're old enough to > call them historical), the requirements to operate a motor vehicle have > change drastically over the past century. > One of the more interesting books that I have is an owner's manual from a 1950s Ford Popular. It includes such trivial tasks as decarbonising the engine and grinding the valves. These are listed under "minor repair procedures and adjustments" It also has a full list of about 25 grease nipples that had to be lubricated every 1000 miles. All in all the book is more like our Bentley manual than a user's guide. My father actually had one of these cars, and I very much doubt whether he did any of this stuff on his own, so it must have been at the garage for a service about four or five times a year. As for the Type 3, I assume (or hope) that when it was new bits didn't keep falling off of it like they do now. Daniel ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Shameless link for search engines: http://listarchive.type3.org ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:55:13 -0700 From: "Everett Barnes" <everettb@thesamba.com> To: type3@vwtype3.org Subject: Re: [T3] What did people do? (somewhat long) Message-ID: <20040825195513.80240.qmail@mail.simplenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > It also has a full list of about 25 grease nipples that had to be lubricated every 1000 miles. > My '54 Bus is supposed to have the outer tie rods and king & link pins lubricated every 600 miles. This is 10 grease points, if I remember right. Various other grease points (maybe another 10) are every 1200 miles, along with changing the oil. Owner's manual lubrication page: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/54owners/pages58_59.jpg The Type 3 with it's ball joint front end was a nice improvement. ;) - Everett ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Shameless link for search engines: http://listarchive.type3.org ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:58:54 +0200 From: Per Lindgren <per.lindgren@c2i.net> To: type3@vwtype3.org Subject: Re: [T3] Confused about bumper and years Message-ID: <412CEF7E.8020206@c2i.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One thing you'll notice on this car that identifies it as a 71-73 body is the rear cabin air outlets in the roof posts. The 61-70 models did not have these. PerL 70 & 73 Variant Roush, Norman wrote: >This is interesting. The rear view looks like that of a '68 or '69 but >the >front view definitely has the later MY hood but '68 or '69 turnsignal >lights. > >Norman >'68 Sqbk > > > >It has the "long nose" correct for the 70-73 cars, so it has obviously >been fitted with the bumpers, turn signals and also the rear fenders of >an earlier car in order to make it look older than it is. > >PerL >70 & 73 Variant > >Gamboa, Gary wrote: > > > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6060 & >>item=2487601229&rd=1 >> >>This '71 seems to have earlier style bumpers and front blinker lights. >>What gives? Can it really be a '71? >> >>Gary >>'71 FI AT Square >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>~ Shameless link for search engines: http://listarchive.type3.org ~ >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------- End of type3-d Digest V2004 Issue #548 **************************************