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On 4 Sep 2003 at 11:03, Steven Patch wrote: > I went to bleed the brakes on my '67 square the other day and came across > something very strange. There are no bleeders! Someone in the past > apparently replaced the rear bleeders with allen screws (as far as I can > tell... I wasn't able to get the screws clean enough at the time to confirm > that that's what they were.. but there's a button head in the same spot that > my Bentley book shows a bleeder to be on the rear cylinders). They have been broken off. I can get them out, but it's probably not worth the effort. It's neither straightforward, nor easy, and it can't be done on the car. > on the front disks I can't find any bleeders ANYWHERE - even any screws or > anything! There's just the hose going in and that's it! Where should I > look? Look between the 2 upper bolts on the inside face of the caliper. If you don't see the broken off stump there, check between the bottom 2 bolts, just in case the calipers are on the wrong side of the car, and upside down. I can replace these, too, but again it is a lot of work and only worthwhile if you have OE calipers in otherwise good condition. > The brakes work well - on the first pump the pedal goes nearly to the floor, > but if you lift it and push again it's pretty firm. I can tell a simple > bleeding would make them work great. Sounds to me like the rears just need to be adjusted. They are not self adjusting, so, as the shoes wear, more pedal travel is required. eventually this means more than one stroke will be needed. Broken bleed valves mean any hydraulic brake work you do becomes a major job. I would not touch anything here until you are ready to shut the car down while you get all 4 bleed valves fixed. -- Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, WI 53711-3054 USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org