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> Except for the fact that the stock mufflers come with an integral heat shield. > ISTR the shield on the genuine VW muffler also incorporates an asbestos/mineral fibre sheet, mostly enclosed between two metal sheets. I'm not sure if the cheaper ones include the insulating sheet. Quality costs! Dave. UK VW Type 3 & 4 Club http://www.hallvw.clara.co.uk/ ------ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org