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Contrary to Phils advice and a little ray of hope to you Hal, My 3&4head came loose to the point of making a horrendous banging noise. I dropped the engine and found all the nuts loose on the head. I very carefully re-torqued (there was one stud that looked a little fragile but the others seemed fine). That was a year and a half ago (15K) now and touch wood, the engine is running the sweetest it has ever at the moment, though I have many other problems related to poor fuel consumption that I can't find the reason for. So you might be lucky! Good Luck Mark Seaton 73 Fasty, London ----- Original Message ----- From: "phil cain" <bearsvw2000@yahoo.com> To: <tristessa@pon.net>; <type3@vwtype3.org> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [T3] Heads? Studs? > Hal, Things are looking grim for you, I don't think > retorquing the heads will do any good in your case. > the overhaul company must not have put case savers > into the case when it was rebuilt. I rebuild engines > and I have never had a stud pull out after casesavers > have been installed. Also I have seen many people try > to save engines by retorquing the heads, with no luck > I might say. The only option that you have is to pull > the engine apart and install case savers, if you > install the big case saver studs they will ruin the > case for installing the case saver inserts. Phil > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org > >