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Bill, I don't always like to "butcher" a car either. I used the Innovations speaker kick panels. I like them. I just needed to do a little trimming to get the fit I wanted. They were large enough to fit my MBQuart 6" (or 6-1/2" can't remember) component speakers (with seperate tweeters). Then I modified my carpet (speaker openings) and spray glued it to the panels. It looks good and functions well. You have to decide how to mount the panel, though. You may decide to use screws or you may have a better idea. I have a picture if you would like to see them installed (email me off list). Brian Schlepp 69 fasty - plenty of tunes and a big boom, too. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe