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I went over mine (in my ghia)with a wire brush attached to a drill. Got it as clean as I could, which was far from perfectly clean. Used the metal ready and marine clean, then put on the por 15. It works great. That was almost a year ago and I cannot see any negative effects over time. BTW, the car leaks like crazy in the rain and lives outdoors, but this stuff works. Robb 71 ghia 73 fasty ------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe? mailto:type3-request@vwtype3.org, Subject: unsubscribe