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Well, since you all are on the subject, I decided to open up my clock and take a look. Obviously it isnt working. But upon further inspection I discovered that if I move the waited looking wheel that is near the solenoid gently it starts ticking( I'm assuming this is good). I then started looking for the too contacts that had been previously mentioned. They look sorta like a pair of points that have been in a distributor waaayyy to long. Is there a way to clean these up(i.e. emery cloth). Or do you just add a very small amount of sodder to them.(Looks difficult because theyre so tiny). Jonathan 69FASTY __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe