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okay, so what the...? screw gas in the cylinders i just emptied out a gallon and a half of gas/oil from my crankcase. trust me, the smell test works it was definitely gas and lots of it. so any guesses? how does that much gas get in the engine? i have a 70' with dual webers, and a electric fuel pump. cheers andrew ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org