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The Blau's were full of pass throughs that go intermittant... I think the Saph's were Motorola or Bendix... I dont fix these usually as they have nearly no value. Cant say as Im familiar with the specifics on them... but in general look for bad solders, bad grounds, and corrosion! Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe