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Yes... the Golf was an Audi 60 and the Polo an Audi 50. The Beetle was partly based on a Tatra, which was largely derived from .... and.... and.... Carl Benz's...etc. If we don't accept that the Brazilia is a Type 3, why are we banging on about what replaced the Type 3. NOTHING can ever replace the Type 3. ;-) Dave. UK VW Type 3 & 4 Club http://www.hallvw.clara.co.uk/ ------ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/