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thank sfor the link! well i downloaded it but its missing a a file maybe more. i need the duden.i, im gunna try too use one of the other duden files. does any one on teh list have it? if so you can e-mail directly to me at thorkhild@home.com Eric VW Blue 1968 Fastback awaiting a darkside resto http://www.members.home.com/jim.leslie/darkside_resto.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org