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In a message dated 99-05-12 04:10:35 EDT, you write: << I looked under the seat where the wire was once attached and there is some bar that runs from one side of the seat to the other. For the life of me, I cannot figure out how this is keeping theŜkÁ× ck from moving or what I have messed up. >> At least in my 70 US spec. square, this rod is actually 2 rods linked to a central rotating, spring loaded pivot. To override that mechanism manually, push either or both rods axially towards the center. Now your seat back will move. When my seats refuse to fold,I just reach underneath and do that. My passengers look funny at me but it works every time. Hisham 70 sq. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/