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Ok, sorry i have been lagging behind in reading the posts, so if you have already figured out the problem, then great. But, i have to admit, the first time i set the valves, i had the same problem you are having, where it either seems that the gap is way t+惈r that it is so small that you can't even back the screw out far enough to get the .006 Muir reccommends. I also used Muir's book. It's been a while since my first time, so i don't remember the specifics of where i went wrong, but i'll try at it in case you are doing the same thing. When Muir says to watch the exhaust valve dip in, and once it closes, from the book, i had the impression that that is where TDC is, but it's not. He says to turn the engine farther around. So actually, you are like 180 degrees off TDC, so of course your valves will seem to be way off. I even went as far to assume that during the engine assembly process that the cam and crank got out of alignment, until a friend of mine told me this. "Look at the marks on the pulley/fan, line it up with the mark in the case, and make sure the distributor is pointing to the corresponding wire for the cylinder of the valves you are setting, you know you're at TDC if when you turn the engine about 2 inches in either direction the valves won't move." He really helped me through the hard time because i literally went crazy about this. Well, there's my thought on the matter, tell me if i was right or not, or if you have it, i'd also like to know what the problem is (if you determine it). And, if anyone else has had the same experience, please tell me too, that way we can laugh about it, Jacob Schroeder '72 Squareback Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe? mailto:type3-request@vwtype3.org, Subject: unsubscribe