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I know there's a few others that are on both lists and while I cant speak for them, I can tell you that this list (T3) in NOWHERE near as hostile and stuffy and arrogant as the bus list. The bus list has a lot more subscribers than the T3 list and there are always people bickering about this and that. It really seems to be a contest of knowledge a lot of the time and it does get old after a while. This list is much more enjoyable, much more of a learning environment (maybe it's cuz I have 2 T3's in my garage and my bus is 500 miles away in Phoenix) and there doesnt seem to be nearly as much attitude on this list. It will be a LONG time before this lists ends up like the bus list. I personally dont think it will ever happen because there just arent as many T3's out there as there are buses (at least I think it's that way). So dont worry......we're safe for now Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org