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This is a classic case of people letting their personalities get in the way of the larger principle of sites like this. The larger principle being the survival of the T3, of course, or the T2 in the case of the Hoover Fiasco. I'm with Toby on this one in my hope that this groupo will never get that out of hand. Without this site, I can guarantee you there would be one less Squareback on the road today. ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org