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Oh yeah, and if you throw the heat on full, the extra air running over the J-tubes cools a great deal more. Somewhat uncomfortable, but it can make a big difference. -----Original Message----- From: Park, Keith J (CRD) [SMTP:parkkj@crd.ge.com] Sent: Wednesday, 14 October 1998 10:50 To: 'type3@vwtype3.org' Subject: RE: [T3] The Hill When pulling a hill.. ANY pinging is unacceptable,like hole in #3 unacceptable. When pulling a hill.. Stock now.. use 3/4 throttle in the heat and if she falls below 55 throw It in third. MUCH more cooling air with the engine going faster. Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org