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TomC=> You'd have to drill out your body to remove the bars if you ever => needed to remove them - not good. I'm not in favor of sealing up the torsion bar access holes, but this is not exactly true. You can drop the entire rear end out of any T3 fairly easily. Steven Ayres, Prescott AZ '66 343 ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org