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In a message dated 98-10-01 12:22:29 EDT, you write: << Who is writing this stuff? >> I am. It is my personal experience and observation over the 8 years I lived and worked in germany as a project engineer driving a 68 T1. I stand by it, but do not regard our T3 forum as a suitable place to discuss this issue except for type3 content. Check out the site I mentioned in my earlier msg. There is a lot of useful type3 tech. data in there. Best, HB 70 sq ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/