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Ill also add that after the amzoil incident all my bearings were really whipped, I mean REALLY whipped as was the thrust cut on the #1 main, the whole flywheel AND #1 main could be pulled in and out by .015-.020 or more! I would hear the bearings rumble on start up but as the oil pressure came up they would quiet down. The engine sounded fine once the oil pressure was up. I drove it this way for another 10K miles before a cracked piston finally burned through. The lower ends are quite durable! Top Notch Restorations topnotch@nycap.rr.com 71 Squareback 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo" 65 Squareback "Eggcrate" 87 golf "Winterat" 93 RX7 "Redstur" -----Original Message----- From: Keith Park [mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 8:37 PM To: type3@vwtype3.org Subject: RE: [T3] Pilot bearing noise? I had excessive end play for quite a while after the Amzoil and it didn't make any noise. Is your fan hub going bad? Pully scraping on something in the fan housing? Loose fan housing? Keith Top Notch Restorations topnotch@nycap.rr.com 71 Squareback 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo" 65 Squareback "Eggcrate" 87 golf "Winterat" 93 RX7 "Redstur" -----Original Message----- From: BOB2TYPE3S@aol.com [mailto:BOB2TYPE3S@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 8:14 PM To: type3@vwtype3.org Subject: Re: [T3] Pilot bearing noise? In a message dated 6/25/06 7:56:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, topnotch@nycap.rr.com writes: << Ive found that the Squarebacks engine seems to make more noise on deceleration as it ages, sort of a MMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... As you let your foot off the gas, it was real bad with the tranny bad be even now with the new tranny in it it seems louder than when the engine was new. I had a parts engine that sounded like it was running in mush at its old aga, kinda like the cam gear was the wrong pitch. >> It sounds more like a noisy throw out bearing (replaced that last year with an NOS one, and no change), but the sound doesn't go away when depressing the clutch. It does it in neutral, or in gear, sitting still or moving. I'm guessing that the end play has changed enough that the crank is moving back and forth, creating the sound. I only say that, because the noise goes away under acceleration, but if you let off the gas it returns. Sometimes it'll do it while moving in reverse, but I haven't been keeping track of that. I do know I've got the correct amount of pedal freeplay (1"), so I know that's not the cause. Thanks for any help. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof and IRS (Krusty) 71 Square, now a 2 seat Roadster, pics can be seen at; http://volksrods.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2977 and now has a dead T-3 with D-jet FI engine. : ( ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~