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In a message dated 6/5/06 4:08:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jadney@vwtype3.org writes: << I thought they just added extra layers in the rocker panel area. That's where the loss of stiffness would be most apparent, since the doorframe is no longer a closed loop. >> They did this on the ghia, but the bug saw more metal added (in front and behind the doors). I did a cross of the 2 cars, as I've had several bug verts here, so I had an idea what they did to them. Then this past winter I put a bunch of metal (literally rebuilt the lower 8 inches of it) back into a 70 ghia vert for a customer of mine. I got to see what they did to those, when I had to replicate it. The added metal in front of the doors does remove some cowl shake (the ghia doesn't get any here, but the bug does), but the little "L" reinforcements in the windshield frame add more than previously thought. The thing that surprised me the most is that a bug vert uses a standard bug rocker, but gets the reinforcement rail underneath, while the ghia gets one extra piece of sheet metal (formed into a "C") added inside the rocker (runs the full length) and no reinforcement rail. While the bug vert gets extra plates both ahead and behind the door, the ghia doesn't get them at all. :O This is just 2 ways of achieving the same result. Just my take on it, and I hope this helps. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof and IRS (Krusty) 71 Square, now a 2 seat Roadster, pics can be seen at; http://volksrods.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2977 and now has a dead T-3 with D-jet FI engine. : ( ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~