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I believe so, yes, but maybe Steve or Everett can give more actual info on the early engines as there are so few remaining. Generally, as a rule of thumb it cuts engine life roughly in half, but it would be worse in the Northern Climates than the southern ones but even down south you really need them operating. Keith Top Notch Restorations topnotch@nycap.rr.com 71 Squareback 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo" 65 Squareback "Eggcrate" 87 golf "Winterat" 93 RX7 "Redstur" -----Original Message----- From: Scott Taylor [mailto:scottbtaylor@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:19 PM To: type3@vwtype3.org Subject: Re: [T3] Number 4 issues.. On Jun 4, 2006, at 5:54 PM, Keith Park wrote: > YES you need them! Cut your > engine life roughly in half by having them out.... you need the engine > to > reach operating temperature as quickly as possible and it may NEVER get > there with the flaps not working properly. Then what about the 1962-63 Type 3 engines that had no thermostat at all? Were they all unusually short lived? I'm about to rebuild an early 1962 engine so it would be nice to know. Scott 62 343 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~