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Well, I think I've at least made up my mind on this front, since my bigger motor may help trash the part more, I don't want to consume hard to find NOS parts for lightsider cars. And i thnk the squeak of eurothane ya know, at 300Kmi Ive never had to touch anything rubber in my rear suspension, or anything at all for that matter... Your car IRS or Swing? Keith will annoy the heck out of me. I'm going to go with Chris Wright's advice, and give the aftermarket ones a try. Maybe by the time they wear out, I'll be willing to do the job myself, keeping the costs down. :) thanks for all the help. --fess ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~