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One other thing I noted when it warmed last weekend is that my new 6V battery that I bought for the Crate was boiling away with the 75Ma that I was putting though it. Fortunately it hadn't really boiled away much of the water but I felt that 75Ma was getting too high for a winter-long trickle so I reduced it to the 30Ma that I put into the 12V batteries and that produces a just barely audible bubbling. Food for thought anyway if anyone is building or buying a trickle charger... and it's the current though the battery that is important, not the number of cells it has (voltage). Now... will I get 9 years out of the Squares battery? Probably not... but it isn't dead yet! Keith Top Notch Restorations topnotch@nycap.rr.com 71 Squareback 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo" 65 Squareback "Eggcrate" 87 golf "Winterat" 93 RX7 "Redstur" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~