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> The GVWR is just the load that you can carry ON the car and its own wheels. It > has nothing to do with trailer weight. I suspect it should include the tongue > weight, however. It does in the sense that it determines the "usable" towing capacity. The vehicle may be rated for permissible total weight of 3108 lbs, and I may only load it to 2500 lbs, so then I would have 608 lbs towing capacity. That doesn't relate to the tongue weight (88 lbs), which is based on the axle loads. It just seems screwy to meet that the vw manual says 1080 lbs towing capacity when the max load capacity is 992 lbs... and then my question about whether the unladen weight equaling "curb" weight (including fuel, oil, etc.) might lessen it more. > While others will chime in and tell us how they've used their type 3s for > towing, I'm extremely reluctant to recommend it at all. The problem is that the > bumper mounts just attach to extremely thin metal. There is nothing substantial > there to support the trailer load or the tongue weight. Sure, you might get > away with it, but one little slip-up would ruin your whole day.... I am aware of these points and appreciate you reiterating them, however, I'm not even there yet. This is purely academic and I am first seeing if I can even build a tear within the towing capacity of the vehicle. At that point I'll assess hitch and mounting issues. I do believe it is doable since many are built for smaller European cars. -- Raul 68 Square Pleasant Hill, CA www.typ3kultur.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~