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I drove an 02 Kia minivan, the paint was peeling off the plastic parts, the drivers door handle was broken and it didn't idle properly, this was last summer. The last Hyundai was an 03 Sonata, it wasn't bad.... but it was noisy and felt like it was give all she had when pushed at all. The Korean cars area A LOT better than they were 10 years ago, and the price is certainly cheaper, but I don't get the impression that they will hold out long term and I think the manf knows that and that is why they want to get them all out of there before their reputation gets tarnished. Maybe Im wrong... its just my opinion and you know how everybody has one :-) For their price if you can get a good deal at trade in every 3 or 4 years maybe it is a good deal. Features sell cars right now and yes, the Koreans are onto something, lets just hope that its not like the $40K grand caravan, who's gizmo's all seem to be broken by the time its 4 or 5 years old and your stuck with a base model. Keith <rant> Keith, Have you ever driven a Hyundai, or a KIA?? I doubt it?? They are a very good car that gets very good support by the dealers. I just got done with a 1600 mile drive in my KIA in one weekend. It performed very well, and got very good gas milage for a mid sized SUV. I even surprised a Chevy Suburban driver, that I set the pace for, that he followed me into a filling station for gas, and was surprised that I was getting 20mpg at the pace we were running. (80+mph). Fit and finish is very good. Many features on the KIA Sorento, that you cant get on a Detroit Iron. And all for less than $20K after trade of a dead Cherokee. </rant> -- Russ Wolfe '71 FB AT '66 FB MT '64 T34 (not running) '65 T1 (not running) '05 KIA Sorento SUV russw@classicvw.org http://www.classicvw.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~