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The over-the-top system uses the 4-into-1 header, with a muffler that sits above the single outlet on the header. A U-pipe connects the header to the muffler, and an exit pipe leaves the muffler and curls over to the left side. There are some photos of it on The Samba in the classifieds. The ceramic system looks like a good deal, but I'd like something quiet, and the CIP muffler looks like it might be quieter than the ISP with it's smallish muffler. I have Bugpack muffler on a header now, courtesy of the previous owner (probably previous to him, in fact), and it's junk. Quite loud, and doesn't fit worth a damn. --- David Sanderson <porschedave@rennlist.net> wrote: > Hi All > > I checked the ISP West site and the CIP site to look > at their exhaust > options but I am still going to try my hand at > getting this stock one > to work. By the way, what is an "over the top" > system? I'll try > Dave's idea with lots of heat and maybe those type 4 > crush washers > will work. Keeps your fingers crossed - if you hear > a scream it's > because I used to much heat and melted the whole > damm thing. > > Dave > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | > mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail