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[[[So I believe you when you say that your new stainless lines made a noticeable improvement, but I think it's important to remember that this is a comparison between an OLD rubber hose and a NEW stainless hose. I just believe that you would have noticed the same improvement if you had installed new rubber hoses. ]]] Actually, I have experienced this. I replaced my perfectly good and only 4 year old flex lines ( 5 of them) on my 1996 Impala SS with braided steel lines (I took off my 4 calipers to coat them, so I figured I'd upgrade).......The difference in brake pedal firmness is amazing!.......there was no air in the system that I knew of before I started, the brakes had never been previously serviced, and at the time the car had only about 10k miles on it........like I said, amazing difference in pedal firmness......I did not notice a difference in pedal response height (to indicate that I may have had air in the system before disassembly). Even now (since I don't drive this car alot) when I do get in it, I have to remind myself to go easy on the brake pedal at first (even though my GM daily driver has 4 wheel disc, too). Believe me when I say: the 5 SS lines DID make a difference in pedal firmness...........certainly good "seat of the pants" feel........ Dave Pallo Hers: '72 Square (in process) His: '96 Impala SS....Sunny Sunday's only ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~