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happened today. The Baroness is acting up again. Same thing as before I changed the battery and volt. reg.: not starting. This time, I could hear the relay clicking, but no pump whir. I got out my handy-dandy new volt meter, and proceeded to check the relay under the steering wheel. I got no voltage at plug 87, and fluctuating, low voltage at plug 86. I wasn't sure if I was making contact with plug 87 (there's a hard plastic "boot" over the connectors on that one), so I disconnected the wires, and tested it. No voltage. Then I tried turning the key all the way, and the car started! Ran just fine. I shut it off, reconnected the wires, and tried to start it again, and it ran. Then I tried again, and nada. How in the world did it start when the wires were unconnected? Anyway, I ordered a new relay. Lori & The Baroness, '71 FI SB automatic -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ "I wrestled with reality for 36 years, and I'm happy to say that I finally won out over it." ---Elwood P. Dowd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~