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In a message dated 8/29/05 5:30:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave@hallvw.clara.co.uk writes: << I would expect the Fastback to have better aerodynamics than the Square simply from the shape, but then the Squareback is the only wagon I know that doesn't kick up dirt onto its back window, so i wouldn't be surprised to find it has unusual aerodynamics. The test was with an automatic; don't remember if yours was auto or manual, Bob. Of course, the figures were based on accurate speeds, rather than optimistic speedo with low-profile tyres. Even a half-worn tyre would give an error of around +1.5% in speed over a new tyre. >> I was the lone Notch (the blue one with the sunroof) intermixed among 2 or 3 (depending on direction of travel) Square's. Mine is definitely a MT car, and with stock sized (165's) tires, with almost new tread. I'm not sure if my trans gearing is part of the difference though, as I'm running a 3.88:1 single side cover IRS trans in it. I do know the dew runs off toward the sides of the rear glass (right above the engine intake air vents), but I also have that short "flat deck" that a Square or Fastback doesn't have. I do believe I was getting close to John's mileage though, as we were both running stock carbs, and Jim had FI. Tom had Weber 34's on his when he was running with us back toward Toledo, and I think his mileage was similar to mine and John's. John was running low profile tires, and had to keep using his PDA to do a mileage correction, while the rest of us were running stock sized tires. To be honest though, I thought I was getting decent mileage considering the speeds we were traveling, as when we all finally seperated, I actually knocked about 10mph off of what I had been running. It didn't hurt that I was running in some of the heaviest traffic that I had all day (rush hour in Detroit). :O But then I do drive the car semi hard for a 40 year old car, even when I'm not running in a caravan. : ) I believe I was getting around 19.4 thru PA, but then on some of those hills we were running close to 90 down them, and 80-85 up the next one, as we were definitely using the conservation of momentum theory. :D And after the reports from the 2002 Invasion, I knew I didn't want to be the one holding everybody up. :O Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof 71 Square, Formerly a 2 seat Roadster, now a T-3 Heb, pics can be seen at; http://volksrods.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2977 69 Square, currently awaiting a 2.0L t-4 engine transplant ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~