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-----Original Message----- From: Jim Adney [mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org] >>> Starting on the first crank has almost nothing to do with the ignition. Both types of ignitions will do this if the fuel is there. Our T3 has never started on the first crank. It usually had to turn over a few times before firing up. All I know is that our T3 starts faster and runs smoother (at least to me anyway) I could be wrong about this but in general if the points are not adjusted correctly or are worn, my experience is the car was harder to start. >>> I think Russ's '71 sat for many years, so his example really isn't fair. OTOH, we hear of many Pertronix >>> failures within 3 years, which is much less than my points last. >>> How long have you had yours and how many miles do you have on it? Well around 6 months. So I guess I only have about 2.5 years to go. Does anyone on this list have any facts backing this up? I really love this list and the wealth of info it has but sometimes these general statements drive me nuts! You talked me out of tossing our FI and backed it up with a good argument that convinced me, but anyone with an automotive back ground knows that electronic ignition (or just points) is much more reliable than mechanical points that wear out and need adjusting. Am I wrong here too? >>> This mentality continues to be stroked by those who stand to profit from sales of the 009s. What about VW points manufacturers? This is a Billion dollar industry! :-) >>> Frankly, my first choice in ignitions are the old CDI units made by Delta. They use the stock points & coil and have a switch that >>> allows them to be switched back to normal. I've been using them since 1966 and have had excellent operation out of them. My points >>> last for many years with this system, and the only way they fail is if the little wire breaks inside its insulation. Please explain this. What did you mean by a switch? Thanks Jim! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rich & Nicole (Daughter), Orange County, CA 70/71 SquareBack 1600 FI MT http://community.webshots.com/user/schlegelr ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~