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OK Jim, I said I would measure them today. As seen in the picture on my web site, the black seal is: OD = .560" ID = .350" Length = .406" The brown rocker seal is: OD = .606" ID = .370" Length = .250" You can see by the some of the dimensions, (of the brown ones), that they might be mistaken for oil cooler seals. If you have never worked on pre-'65 heads, you wouldn't know what they actually were. The original rocker seals that came in the early engines were actually an off white color when new. -- Russ Wolfe '71 FB AT '66 FB MT '64 T34 (not running) '65 T1 (not running) russw@classicvw.org http://www.classicvw.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~