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And, if you attach a hose to the drain nipple and lead it _up_ and over the tire, and then into a container, the little bubble that likes to stay attached to the nipple will head up and away from the nipple as well. Any bubble that manages to get into the hose/cylinder from the loose fit at the base of the nipple will also rise away from the cylinder. With this set-up you can pump the brakes a little and on the upstroke, you won't get that bubble back into the cylinder. Hard and fast pumping will pull it back in though, so keep it slow and easy. Jeff '67 Sqbk -----Original Message----- > So you're saying the brake circuits can be bled completely without > pressing down on the brake pedal at all? That seems weird to me. That's right. Pumping the pedal just speeds it up. All the component drillings are arranged so that the chambers will fill and the bubbles will leave from the top where the exit ports are. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org