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well i called the place where i bought the shifter to ask for some advice and i think i was talking to tom enriquez and he told me that this was strange because had just installed one in a squareback, right now the ball socket faces to the right and i think im gonna change it and turn it the other way tomorrow. thanks for sticking with me your insight is great. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org