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A huge percentage of driving safely in ice and snow is the driver. My brother drove an '56 Austin Healy with bald tires, NO interior, no top, and a V8 some twit had put into it. He had to shovel out the interior in the morning to go to work as a ski instructor. I went up to the cabin in my square and as I was cleaning it off to go skiing, he came back because he had forgotten something. He was flying up the snow covered road, and with some fancy driving, spun it around 180 degrees and double parked with my square, with me between the two cars. He jumped out, got whatever, and fishtailed down the road. It's all about the driver. My daily driver '91 Previa has 300,000 on it and never had any major work and it was T-boned when 2 weeks old. They make good cars, but you gotta find the right one, and popularity does not equal quality, witness the Chrysler minivan and the T3's. T3's were not popular, but they are quality. Jeff '67 Sqbk in the hills of California -----Original Message----- Somday maybe I'll tell the story of driving the entire state of Indiana north to south on glare ice in a '65 Skylark beater with dead-bald tires. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org