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TrevorC=> i want to stiffen the suspension, so he rides more => like a porsche instead of more like a type3 ... => if anyone can help... let me know cuase im half tempted to => pull sway bars off chevy's I'm very happy with the suspension performance on mine, and I haven't resorted to anything as hopelessly unworkable as Chevy parts. The Type 3s have a very well-designed suspension from the factory that provides excellent sport performance with minor tweaking and careful tuning. I think you'll find that if you give your stock front end a good going over, tighten up what needs tightening, refresh joints if necessary, stiffen the shocks a bit and grease it properly, it'll give you what you want. External anti-sway bars are superfluous money-wasters on a Type 3, but Squareback torsion bars all around will give a sportier feel. You may find that unlowering it a notch or so will be very helpful to balance and road-holding. In the rear add a high-quality camber compensator if you have swing axles or a Squareback Z-bar if IRS. Put a little wider rubber (185s or so, and *not* smaller tires in front) on alloy 914 wheels (forget the trick wheels and adapters), then get the steering box adjusted right and have it aligned carefully front and rear. The difference in performance you can realize from these fairly basic procedures and changes is enormous, and it's all easily done. Steven Ayres, Prescott AZ '66 KG1600 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Shameless link for search engines: http://listarchive.type3.org ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~