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Vice grips work really well to remove buggered up ones. Lay them flat against the drum, and tighten up really tight. At this point, no loss. If you have a sturdy pair. tap them with a hammer. The can still be re-used for quite a time even in this condition, BTDT. Jeff '67 Sqbk -----Original Message----- Mine are rounded inside on one of my drums and the allen wrench just spins. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org