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--- BOB2TYPE3S@aol.com wrote: > Happens to the best of us too. You'd be surprised at > some of the things I've > done by mistake. Sometimes they worked out for the > good though. : ) OK, #1 theory proven correct again. I'm an idiot. I have no idea what happened, but nothing worked in getting the brakes to bleed. Just opening the wheel cylinder bleeders saw fluid coming out, so I think gravity at this point was doing the job. I decided to put the old master cylinder back in and I noticed two things: 1) The boot on the new MC was torn off. I must've done that somehow while putting it in. This may be related to: 2) I noticed when I put in the old master cylinder, the pedal could now be pushed completely to the floor. When I pushed down on the pedal with the new MC installed, it went about 5-6" and then stopped hard, with about 3-4" left between the pedal and the metal tray that goes behind the pedals. Anyway, the old MC is back in and working OK, but still spongy. Could be my lack of bleeding skills. One pump and it's pretty solid, but you need that first pump. Sounds like air, right? I need to get the car inspected because I'm going to be without my Jetta for all of next week and I'll need it as a daily driver for a few days, so I think at this point I'm going to have the local aircooled mechanic check out the car, do the inspection, and take care of this while he's at it. ===== Aaron Clow Two Squares & a Fastback http://www.tiserves.com/VW/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org